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Well quite a while ago I asked if anyone would be interested in a fiberglassing how to. Judging by the repsonses, I wanted to wait till I had a project that would answer alot of questions people had. Well just did one this weekend. And I took pics. Now keep in mind I didn't quite do a step by step because its hard to take pictures while you are working and getting messy. But I will try to explain the steps and if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.

So to start out, you will need several things to help you with your fiberglassing experience. Most common things are going to be, a box or two of latex gloves, and some very cheap paint brushes. I usually hit the dollar store for alot of this stuff. You will also need some sharp scissors, and mixing cups. I usually use paint mixing cups but they tend to get pricey. So this time when we were at the dollar store, I grabbed a package of plastic cups. Styrofoam cups won't work very well, but the cheap plastic cups they hand out at kegs work great if you double them up. Another nice tool to have is a fiberglass roller. They make several different kinds in a variety of shapes. We usually only use a roller on larger flat surfaces. Otherwise a paint brush will work just fine for anyones needs.

And you will also need some resin and fiberglass matting. I use epoxy based resins. Never tried the polyester based stuff yet, so can't comment on how it works. Fiberglass matting comes in several different styles and weights. They make a chopped strand, which is pretty common, and they also make woven strand. Depending on what you are building will dictate which one to use. For cometic stuff, I like to stick to the chopped matting. And if it needs to be structural, I use the chopped matting and the woven in alternating layers. The smaller the weave pattern, the better it is for forming curves. You can use the larger weave pattern if you are doing long straight pieces.

Most of this stuff can be picked up at local auto parts stores, home improvement stores, etc, in smaller packages. If you are doing a large piece, you may want to check around for online retailers selling fiberglass materials.

The piece we made this weekend is a combination of several techniques, so figured it would be a good one to post up. It will include making a mold of a piece and also ring and enclosure techniques.

So to start out, we wanted to make a mold of a piece in a 67 mustang. Its actually a flip up door that divides the trunk and interior cabin. I assume its purpose is to allow you to carry longer items in your trunk as well as fold your rear seats down.

Here is the car we are working on.

Here is the area where we will be building an enclosure to hold 2 6X9 speakers.



Now with being smaller speakers, the fiberglass will not need to be as thick as you would want for a sub box. There is along debate as to how thick a sub enclosure needs to be. We generally like to keep sub boxes around 3/8" to 1/2 thick of glass. Granted this is overkill in most situations, but better safe than having it crack on ya when sound pressure levels get pretty high.

I didn't get any pics with the panel in place or with the panel bare. We were too far into the project by the time I remembered to take pictures. LOL.

So here is the door/panel wrapped in tape.



Wrapping the piece in tape will alow us to lay the glass directly on the part. This will ensure that it fits perfectly. This is also how you would start the process of making a mold for something. If you wanted to recreate the part, You would make this mold first. Then that would give you a negative of the shape you are wanting to achieve. Then you would simply wrap the new fiberglass piece with tape and lay glass to the inside of this. Then when you pull it apart, you have the same exact shape.

So this is us laying the fiberglass over the piece. The tape will protect the part from getting resin on it. You could also use tinfoil instead of tape, but for this part, we needed it to not move or shift as we worked.






As you can see in the above pics, as the glass starts to absorb the resin, it will become somewhat transparent. You can see the tape lines very well underneath the fiberglass. This is a sign you are getting enough resin onto the glass and it is being absorbed. If you still have white spots, you will need to get more resin on those areas.

When you are putting the resin down onto the glass, you want the brush to barely slide across the surface of the glass. If you push too hard, you will start to pull strands of fiberglass up. If you have a large surface to do, you can also pour the resin down onto the part and spread it out with the brush. This helps cover a larger area in less time. So depending on how hot you mix the resin (The more hardener you put into the resin, the faster it will cure. They call that mixing it hot.) So you may need to cover a large area before the resin begins to cure. My recommendation for beginners, follow the mixing directions on the resin. If you mix it hot, it will cure alot faster. There have been times when we have mixed it hot and go to put the brush back into the cup and the resin has already hardened in the cup.

You will also notice that we left some extra on the bottom edge that we did not resin in those pics. The reason for that was so we could wrap it around the backside to create a pocket for this to sit in. So when we go to mount it once it is all done, we will use that pocket to hold the bottom and the trim peice that is bolted to the top to hold the top portion. We glassed underneath the trim piece so the fiberglass will be sandwiched between the panel and the trim piece.




That is part of the thing that makes fiberglassing difficult. You have to always plan ahead as to mounting or how you want the finished look to be.
 

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So the next step was to build rings for the 6x9's. I didn't take pictures of the ring building because its pretty straight forward. Bascially you want to make a ring that is about 1" wider all the way around the speaker, and obviously a hole for the speaker to fit in.

This is where it becomes a very similiar technique for any kind of speaker. Whether you are building pods for small speakers or an entire sub enclosure. The rings are going to be what places the speakers where you want them. Height and angle of these rings determines the look of the overall enclosure. We wanted to keep this one as shallow as possible but still have a nice look to it. So we spaced them at an outward angle. Just make sure you leave about a 1/4" between the magnet and the back of the enclosure.

Here are the rings with some legs made from scrap particle board. These are glued to the rings as well as the fiberglass back.




You will want these to be sturdy. This is what you will be stapling your mold fabric to. Mold fabric is bascially fleece that can be picked up at most fabric stores. They make several kinds and thicknesses of fleece so depending on what you are building, it can differ as to what you want to use.

A tip for keeping the speaker rings flush to the face of the enclosure is to router a 1/4" by 1/4" groove along the outside edge of the ring. This will allow you to staple the mold fabric to the ring and as you build up the layers with glass it will be flush. You can see the groove in the pics above.

Now you will want to lay out your mold fabric. The best way to do it is to make sure your piece is big enough to cover the entire area you want glassed along with some extra to be able to wrap around the back. We usually start by stapling the mold fabric to the rings. As you move around the ring, keep pulling the fabric taught to eliminate wrinkles.



Once the rings and fabric have been stapled together, you will wan to stretch the fabric from the rings to the backside of the piece. If you are making a sub enclosure, usually you can staple the fabric to the backside of the box. For this piece, we pulled it tight around the back and secured it with tape and zipties through holes we made in the extra fabric.

Here are some pics with the fabric stretched and secured on the backside. Since this panel has a trim piece that goes on the top, we wanted to make sure the mold fabric would follow this contour. We will be using vinyl to cover this piece and didn't want a hump right before the piece of trim. So we taped up the trim piece and installed it. This also helped hold our top edge taught.







Once this step is complete, you will see the overall shape you have created. If you are not happy with this shape, you can add dividers or other pieces of wood to give the fabric the shape you are trying to achieve.

Now you will want to mix up some resin and cover the mold fabric with it. Make sure you are using enough to allow it to fully soak through. It will have a dark appearance once it has soaked all the way through.







Once that cures, it will become hard. Not super hard but will feel like cardboard. You want to wait till it has completely cured. The best way to tell is to lightly touch the piece. If it still feels a little sticky, it hasn't finished curing.

Then next step will be to cut up your fiberglass into smaller pieces. Usually a 3X5 piece is a good working size. This will help to lay it onto curves.



Putting the glass onto the mold fabric is pretty straight forward. A tip I like to use is to brush some resin onto the piece. This helps the glass pieces to stick without having to hold onto them as you brush resin over the top of them. You will want to put on the resin by lighty brushing it over the top. Once you can see it start to become transparent, you will want to use the end of the bristles on the brush and dab it down. Slowly working the resin down into the glass. As you dab it downwards you will want to work out any air bubbles that are between the mold fabric and the glass you are laying down. You can also dip the brush into the resin and continue to dab it downward if you get a spot that is light on resin.

I didn't get any pics of the glass being layed down because I was by myself at that point. But here is a pic I took from another project that shows the glass with only half of it with resin on it. This shows the difference between a saturated piece of glass vs no resin.



Since this piece will not be holding very much weight, we went with 2 layers of glass on top of the mold fabric. This will be plenty strong to hold the speakers up and not crack from the car bouncing around.

Light was starting to fade by the time I got the 2 layers of glass on, so these pics didn't come out very good. And you can do 2 layer of glass at one time. By at one time I mean lay down your first piece, do the pieces next to it, and lay another piece over the top of that. As you dab it downards, don't put any resin on it just yet. Doing this will help soak up any extra resin you put down on the previous piece. On the first layer, you will butt up the pieces to each other, and on the second layer, you will want to lay it directly over the top of the butted areas. You want to overlap the seams. This helps with strength of the piece.


 

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Once that has fully cured, you can go in and remove the legs that you used to space out the rings.




And with them removed.



Some people like to keep them in there, some people like to take them out. I usually take them out so you don't have to worry about them coming loose later on and causing a rattle down the road.

So the next step will be clean up. You will want to grind or sand any rough spots. Cut away any extra mold fabric that is not needed.

I didn't do any of that this weekend. So I will get pics of that in the next few days.

As far as finish work to be able to paint a fiberglass piece you have made, I am not a body man. LOL. So when it comes to that stuff, we have a guy we send our stuff to. I can't help ya much on what all it takes to get it ready for paint. I know there is lots of sanding and bondo work done, but that is about the extent of my knowledge. LOL.

Hope some of this helps the guys out there that have been thinking of doing some custom fiberglass work for their rides.


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Very cool for those that want to tackle this kind of job . Won't be me.....lol . You guys do some nice work . Luckily it's only 5 blocks from home with the amount of time you must spend there 8 mile......:) .
 

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Nice! Gives me hope that I might be able to do it myself.
 

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Really guys, the hardest part is the planning and deciding on what you want the overall look to be. The easy part is laying out the fiberglass.

Ask D how hard the actual fiberglassing is. He did very well for a first time attempt.

What do you guys feel is hard about what I have shown you? I can try to break it down into smaller steps for those that feel they don't want to attempt this on their own.

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Aside from the plastic gloves, are there any other safety precautions? About how long is the drying time? Are we talking minutes or hours?
 

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Aside from the plastic gloves, are there any other safety precautions? About how long is the drying time? Are we talking minutes or hours?
Some people wear a mask to prevent the fumes from getting to them. You will want to do this in a well ventilated area or outside if at all possible. The fumes don't bother me much so I just wear gloves. The time that the fumes get really bad is when the resin actually starts to cure. It will heat up as it cures which makes the fumes a little worse.

Cure time is really hard to put a number on. There are so many variables that come into play. Temperature, humidity, wind, how hot you mix the resin, how thick of a layer of resin is actually used, etc. On average if you are doing it outside with a very slight breeze and temps above 70 degrees, I would say the resin should fully cure in about 30 minutes to an hour. But that is just a ball park figure. There are times we will mix the resin very hot because it is a small piece and we have been doing it for so long that it will fully cure in 10 minutes.

There have been times when doing it inside, I have purposely mixed the resin cold to give it time to really soak in to achieve a certain shape out of it and that took about 6 hours to fully cure.

So no way to really give a time frame as far as curing.

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A thought, if you have the option, consider getting nitrile gloves instead. These are good if you'll be wearing them a lot. Extended exposure to latex can induce a latex allergy in some people. Nitrile doesn't have that problem. I think they're also a little harder to rip, I like the feel over latex.
 

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Here is the finished product. Wasn't able to get many decent pictures because the owner was in a hurry to get it loaded up. So snapped a couple of quick pics.

Just remember, we are not upholstery guys. We are car audio guys. So be nice. Hahaha. Our upholsterer was packed with work so we had to do this ourselves. Not completely happy with it, but the customer said he loved it, and that is all that matters.





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